Re: [BNW] Fwd: [Unipax] FW: I thought this was worth sharing

["Cameron Twine" <cjtwine50@hotmail.com>]

While I don't agree or disagree with the article, I do resent the fact that 
I received it three / four times. It was well written and had a couple of 
good points I'm sure, but reading it once was enough.

Cheers,

Cameron Twine


>From: Wiels Fabrice <sherinford@chez.com>
>Reply-To: bnw@gamerz.net
>To: <bnw@gamerz.net>
>Subject: Re: [BNW] Fwd: [Unipax] FW: I thought this was worth sharing
>Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:04:58 +0200
>
>This is an incredibly stupid editorial.
>No country is perfectly black or white, and I doubt the United States of
>America is an exception.
>
>Some comments seems necessary :
>
> >> Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
> >> Italy were lifted out
> >> of
> >> the debris of war by the Americans who poured in
> >> billions of dollars and
> >> forgave other billions in debts. None of these
> >> countries is today paying
> >> even the interest on its remaining debts to the
> >> United States.
>
>Quite true.
>The same reasoning applies to the developping countries nowadays
>(I don't remember exactly the amounts the european countries
>expend on help each year, but I can tell you one thing : Germany
>is the a big donator).
>
>But you must realise there is some payback, economically speaking :
>a big number of american products have found their place on the
>european market just after the WWII : it's not a coincidence.
>
> >> I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
> >> gloating over the
> >> erosion of the United States dollar build its own
> >> airplane. Does any other
> >> country in the world have a plane to equal the
> >> Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
> >> Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
>
>Sorry to disappoint you, but Airbus is quite a good plane.
>The only reason why Boeing is so prominent is the agressive
>economic policy of the USA, which prevented Airbus to conquer
>a number of public markets.
>Ever heard of Echelon ???
>
>Another thing about technology : did you know the only radar
>able to detect some ghost airplane are made in France ?
>
> >> If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the
> >> International lines except
> >> Russia fly American Planes? You talk about Japanese
> >> technocracy, and you
> >> get
> >> radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you
> >> get automobiles. You
> >> talk
> >> about American technocracy, and you find men on the
> >> moon - not once, but
> >> several times - and safely home again.
>
>Incredible speaking.
>The ESA (European Space Agency) has been sending yearly
>a lot of satelites in earth orbit, even when the USA space
>program was still (after the explosion of your wonderful
>navette).
>Of course we never sent anybody on the moon :
>the entreprise is simply pointless !!!
>The only reason why americans have done it is for the
>performance, to show the world they were better than
>the communist russians (who were the first to send a
>ship on orbit).
>
> >> I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced
> >> to the help of other
> >> people in trouble. Can you name me even one time
> >> when someone else raced to
> >> the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was
> >> outside help even during
> >> the San Francisco earthquake.
>
>When someone will name the 5000 times the americans have raced
>to the help of other people, I will answer that question ;-)
>
>There was at the very least a military help from France when
>the american independance was proclamed.   (May I remind the
>americans the Liberty Statue was a gift from France ?)
>
>I'm also nearly sure the Canada and Australia helped in the WWII
>pacific conflict.
>
>Another question : do americans consider they have helped to free
>Vietnam ???
>
> >> Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
> >> Canadian who is damned tired
> >> of hearing them get kicked around. They will come
> >> out of this thing with
> >> their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
> >> to thumb their nose at
> >> the lands that are gloating over their present
> >> troubles. I hope Canada is
> >> not one of those."
>
>Who is gloating ?
>I'm not.
>These events are tragic, and the dead toll is incredibly high.
>
>Well, I'm sure some people will gain some profit of this situation :
>there will be at least two buildings to rebuild.
>
>Television showed people on the street of Jerusalem celebrating.
>Well, people, sorry to disappoint you, but this is the biggest
>false news I ever witnessed : the images you have seen (of this
>young boy and a couple of friends of him showing their joy) are
>coming from the archives of the news companies !!!
>
>On the other side, we have seen the palestinian leader giving
>his blood, and a lot of other signs of compassion from the world.
>
>What is impressing is the urge the americans show about retribution, in the
>present situation.
>A lot of people are talking about WAR.
>I can tell you most european countries won't follow you in this agenda
>(maybe UK would, I'm not sure : these people are somehow eager to please 
>the
>americans - I only hope Blair will show a true Labour profile in this
>matter).
>
>Understand this : USA is the most powerful country in the world, in most
>respects.   This does not mean that it's the better country to live in.
>
>I certainly would not want to live there.
>
>Your social security is poor, at best.
>Your crime rates are incredibly high.
>Your penal system still allow death sentences (a reason why the european
>court of human rights have refused to allow the extradition of a criminal 
>to
>the USA - this guy was instead judged in Germany and inprisonned there).
>
>Yes, America is the land of freedom : freedom to build a financial empire
>from nearly nothing (only a handful of people are able to do that), freedom
>to die from a disease because you cannot afford proper treatment...
>
>OK, I think I have said enough this time.
>
>FW
>
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