> Anyway, I posted to Zach a reformed app that uses the cards32.dll to paint > the cards, pull from a deck, and when the deck runs out you can re-shuffle. Yes, but does cards32.dll use Jokers? That's the potential problem. Also, my name's Nick, not Zach. Don't worry, it's a common mistake :) . Nick Zachariasen Editor Emeritus Trojan Times