--Hindrinces are gone, unless you plan on using house rules of some sort. There aren't any archetypes in D20 at all, or even starting packages for that matter. I am convreting all of the deadlands archetypes to D20 myself. Ogy Joe-- Be interested in taking a gander at that myself. Ya going to post it here or do you got a website you'll be posting it on? Best Regards, Charles