>i thought it was the MAJORITY coming up 1's - more than half. if you got >2 dice, both must come up 1 to botch. 3 dice, 2 come up 1's is a botch. You're right. My bad. If you roll two dice and get a 4 and a 1, then spend a white chip to roll another die and get another one, THAT would be a bust (2/3 of the dice are ones). Pat