Well, the HoE relic idea I submitted, oh, about a month ago just appeared, as if by magic, in the HoE library of the web page. I think it's pretty cool, so check it out. I'd just about given up on it and posted it to the list instead- never heard a word back after I submitted it...thanks to Graveyard Greg for alerting me that it was up. Ah well...PEG moves in mysterious ways... bax