In a message dated 5/17/99 9:45:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dschniepp@ldd.net writes: << We have Foolproof, Fair, Onerous, Hard, and Incredible which range from 3-11. So what about TNs that exceed 11? 13: Amazing 15: Fantastic Has anyone else used other descriptive phrases for bigger TNs? Don S. >> Just One 15: No Chance in hell John Swift full time road warrior, part time huckster