Re: [HoE] Junker/Armor ?

[XRebelX@aol.com]

OK......I keep saying that I'm gonna sit quietly in my corner and just soak 
up the accumulated....opinions.     But as I was the person that posted the 
"Iron Man Type Armor" thing, I felt the need to respond to this part of your 
post Steve.....

In a message dated 3/3/00 12:47:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
crow_steve@hotmail.com writes:

<< The example given of the Junker building a full-body Iron Man-type armor 
 suit, and his Marshal hosing him subsequently, strikes me as such an 
 example.  That seems a perfect example to me of the "Penalize the player for 
 supposedly try to abuse the rules" kind of thing.  Since the Marshal who did 
 so is (presumably) not on-line here, this isn't an attack on the person who 
 originally posted it.  But it's to my mind a perfect example of the 
 "bwah-hah-hah" arbitrary Gamemaster.  If you've got a Marshal who does that 
 kind of thing, IMO you've got worse probems than how much Junk-Armor costs.  
 ;) >>

             First off.....your use of the term "hosing" , to me at least, 
says that the GM did something that is some sort of "I say this and you can 
do nothing" call.     You used the term "Bwah hah hah arbitrary Gamemaster" 
and the phrase "Penelize the player for supposedly (mark that word for a 
moment from now please) trying to abuse the rules".     Now to begin 
with.....I take partial responsibility for this as I did not FULLY explain 
the situation.....it was a Reader's Digest version to illustrate the point I 
was making in regards to the.....let's say power of the Junker (remember...I 
kind of lost the original purpose of the thread).     So allow me to fill it 
out in detail.
             The Junker in question fully intended to literally be, as I did 
state, covered from head to toe in this armor.......emphasis on the word 
COVERED.     He intended, and voiced these intentions, that even his eyes, 
nose, mouth....ALL parts would gain the benefit of the armor's protection.    
 This came up when she (the GM), in passing,  jokingly stated that she 
guessed that she'd have to start going for those eye shots on him.     It was 
after his tirade that she stated that if the armor didn't have some method of 
allowing him to see, hear, breathe, then his choices were ..... A> Leave 
these areas uncovered and thus unprotected       B> Devise some power(s) that 
would allow such (and character DID have the power Sensor.....there was the 
sight and hearing)         or C> Put on the suit and suffocate as per the 
rules for not being able to breathe.     Such abilities, and I can only speak 
for myself, DO NOT go without saying ("That goes without saying",,,,,a phrase 
that has infuriated me while running games for years!).     Your opinion that 
a gamemaster that would do "this kind of thing" is a terrible thing, as 
alluded to in your post, is strange to me.       It seems to me that what she 
did was to maintain the rules and game balance with calmness and a logical 
rationale.   In MY opinion, that's what a gamemaster is supposed to do.
             The example was stated....."If building a car with Locomotion 
power, you wouldn't need to use the Light power to give it headlights".     I 
disagree with this.     That's also saying that the Temprature power isn't 
needed to keep you warm or cool because cars have A/C and heaters.     
Trouble is.....the one (a car) was made on an assembly line and the other 
(the Junker device that WORKS like a car) was the product of "Junker Magic".  
   That, in my humble, is the main difference between Junker made gear and 
the mundane, mass produced items,,,,, armor, cars, weapons, beer coolers, 
whatever.     And that, again in my own opinion, is another..... let's call 
it Limitation....on the Junker.     If a Syker doesn't have the Telekinesis 
power, he can't move a rock with his mind even if he IS a TK specialist.     
Same thing, to my way of thinking, with the Junker and his powers.
             In closing, that statement '"supposedly trying to abuse the 
rules"..... well I think I've expalined that there was no 'supposedly' about 
it.     I didn't see it that way...still don't.     None of the other players 
did....even the Junker in question agreed when the rationale was explained to 
him.       If you still feel that it was "arbitrary" or some "GM power trip" 
that's fine.....I felt the need to get the entire tale out there.     That 
was it...agree or disagree.     I wouldn't have just "allowed" that either.   
  Guess I'm one of those GMs too.     Ahhh well.....back to the corner.    
Must cackle insanly

Bwah Ha Ha Ha Ha

Later Days
Reb
("In every world, every dimension, every Plane of Existence...I AM the REBEL! 
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