Re: [HOE] Women's roles in RPG's

["Christopher L." <entropy523@yahoo.com>]

Yeah!
What he said!
--- Allan Seyberth <darious@darious.com> wrote:
>  >    Sadly enough, for those of you in the 'it's
> all in good fun' category,
>  >it's more fun when the women actually have
> character, instead of being
>  >silicon cut-outs.
> 
> Silicon cut outs. . .
> 
> You know.  Indians (oh, excuse me, Native Americans
> Brutally Oppressed by 
> the White Man, er person, no. . . Man.  ) have often
> suffered from two 
> types of prejudice.  The first is the obvious one -
> discrimination against 
> them.  The second type is some bizarre "holy noble
> savage" pedestal that 
> some folks put them on.  I guess it's better than
> having your head beat in 
> with a rifle, but it's still an insulting form of
> discrimination that 
> treats these people as other than people.
> 
> I don't bring this up for the indian side of things,
> but for what the 
> "noble savagers" folks did.  When you point out the
> flaws in their society, 
> these twits come back with "their culture has been
> corrupted by the white 
> man and they have fallen from grace because of the
> white man."
> 
> And when you point out that various tribes have all
> had various other 
> practices like war, rape, slavery, torture, etc. 
> they either sidestepped 
> by saying that those were "other tribes" or end up
> calling you a racist for 
> trying so hard to shatter their bubble.
> 
> So.
> Despite the fact that two of the main good guy
> groups in HoE are currently 
> headed up by women.  Despite the fact that one of
> them was the primary 
> voice for the player's section on several books. . .
> we have the cries of 
> sexism.
> 
> Wait - I don't remember cheesecake in the syker
> book.  Well. . . maybe 
> because we are culturally taught that bald isn't
> beautiful that we didn't 
> realize that the syker standing on the hilltop is
> really a babe shot.
> 
> Oh wait, my mistake, the whole syker book is
> politically incorrect because 
> it is offensive to those folks who have lost their
> hair to 
> chemotherapy.  Doomsayers. . . lets just not go
> there.
> 
> And let's just blithely ignore the number of
> archetypes that exist that are 
> depicted as women in HoE.  Savage, kid, postman,
> syker, doomsayer, cyborg, 
> templar. . . and that's without my books being here.
>  Oh. . .wait. . . 
> since this doesn't conform to one version of how
> females (oh, excuse me, 
> the secretly superior sex, er gender,  who have been
> Brutally Oppressed by 
> the White Man) are supposed to be depicted. . . then
> it must just be some 
> ploy to disguise PEGs secretly misogamist views. 
> (Hey - gamist. . . gamer. 
> . . just a coincidence? I think not!)
> 
> Now  -  on a less silly note.  I was at a Science
> Fiction book convention 
> and one of the author panels was about the
> difficulty of writing 
> cross-gender characters.  It's damn tough to make a
> believable woman 
> character when you are a male author.
> 
>  >PC is just Plain Courtesy
>  >                                    Damon
> 
> The easily offended deserve to be.
> 
> 
> 
> -------------------
> Allan Seyberth
> darious@darious.com
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> 
> Why did the chicken cross the road?
> 
> Logan (Law and Order):
> To buy a plaid tie
> 
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