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Re: [PyrNet-L] Care, Behavior: aggression btw male sibs
When I got Maggie...rescue Pyr...she had a dominance problem. and was overly
protective of me.. Especially with men....and I had a husband and 3 sons. 2
months after I got her I took her to my parents house for a week. Well, my
Father bent down to pick up a piece of paper... that fell next to me.
Maggie went after him!!! I yelled at her and she backed off. A day or 2
later she was "telling my neice off" for walking in front of me. Well my
sister Barbara Bowes was there and did a "dominance down" on Maggie. I was
scared to death, but Barb did a good job. Maggie was cured!!! I would not
have been able do to do this... Maggie was 85lbs. But Barb is a master at
it. It has to be done QUICK and HARD for it to work. Maggie didn't know
what hit her!!!!!! If you know anyone who can and knows how to do it I
would ask them for some help.
What I have done is push her into a wall and not let her go til she submits.
Hard to do with big dog...but easier for me than "downing" them.. Bottom
line is YOU have to have the control and be the Alpha. Maybe this story
will help. Joy McCarron (Maggie's Mom)
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Rognlie <rrognlie@gamerz.net>
To: pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org <pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [PyrNet-L] Care, Behavior: aggression btw male sibs
>Michelle, How do they respond to you? I ask only to ascertain what
>your chances are to get some control over them. I am not personally big
>on multiple males. I've done it, but can't say their is a lot of
>pleasure in it. Still, if yours are that young, and neutered, it is
>still likely that you can get control over the situation. Are you
>comfortable with grabbing them by the scruff of the throat and dropping
>them and holding them, or would you be concerned for yourself? If you
>are afraid of the situation then I would say to get rid of the more
>aggressive. If you want to keep them, you are going to have to react
>hard and fast to un-wanted behaviors. This is a tough call, because to a
>degree they are going to have to spar for position, but it cannot exceed
>what you feel comfortable with. I would definitely not feed them
>together, just to make sure the less aggressive gets his share. But
>smaller battles may have to be fought. You will have to punish both, so
>they both know it is un-acceptable. But you will have to come down even
>harder on the overly aggressive male. At six mo. I can't see where there
>would be that many hormones yet to deal with. Giant breeds are usually
>real slow to develop along those lines, so there should have been more
>time, before that would be a problem. I'm talking averages here. Is
>there any reason to think they were becoming sexually mature? Mounting
>is dominance, not sexual at this stage.
>
>Are you sure they are really fighting seriously? It has been said that
>good hard play-fighting among dogs is one of the healthiest ( mentally
>and emotionally ) thing dogs can do. And the harder they do it, the
>better they live and deal with humans. I know this is hard, because my
>four get really rough sometimes, and I would step in far faster, far more
>often, if I gave in to my own feelings on this. Humans screw animals up
>so often emotionally that I really bite my tongue on this one a lot. I
>see that it really does work, but it sure is not easy! I only interrupt
>if I am concerned that it is going to go over the line, or if we are
>going to loose a part of the house. I don't stand for it over meals
>either.
>
>I think the toy thing is normal ( like kids ), you can let it go for a
>bit, then you will have to really let in on the one hogging. This is
>still back to the scruff of the neck, dropping them on their backs
>holding them till they submit. Only do this if you are 100% sure you can
>control the situation. If they think they win this one, you are in
>trouble. As the dominant member of their pack, you have the right to
>control.
>
>Do you know what their circumstances were prior to your taking them in?
>Frankly I am puzzled that they are doing so much of this. The drawback
>to this situation is having to deal with it now, rather than when they
>were younger. Please let us know more, especially about how you feel
>when they are doing this. These are only suggestions, and I know not
>everyone will agree, because we all raise our dogs differently. I think
>you are wise to ask others, since everyone has different experiences with
>often similar events. Maybe some one will give you an idea that helps!
>Good luck, and let us know more! Cindy.
>
>
>
>Cindy Henke
>clhenke@juno.com
>Ennis, Texas
>
>"All knowledge, the totality of all questions and answers, is contained
>in the dog." ~ Franz Kafka
>
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