Re: [BNW] Goliath vs. Speedster, hope for the speedster?

["Steve Crow" <crow_steve@hotmail.com>]

>  > Granted, as others have noted, it's not very cost-effective to use 
>Dodging
>  > rather than relying on your HTH skill _if_ you're a decent HTH fighter.
>  > However, the rules do permit you to dodge HTH attacks.  You probably
>  > shouldn't...but at least it is permited by the printed rules.
>  >
>  > As I've noted, this was not the case for Deadlands or Hell on Earth.
>
>If I read this correctly you are incorrect. In Deadlands and HOE you do 
>take you
>opponents fightin' skill into account
From page 127 of the revised player's guide:
>The Target number of the attack is faid plus the opponents fightin' 
>aptitude for
>whatever weapon in his hand. A cowboy gets his fightin' brawlin' skill if 
>he is
>empty handed or using some sort of improvised club- like a bottle or pistol 
>butt.
>

You're not reading it correctly...  :)

>Now if you meant that you can't dodge a fightin' roll that is correct. You 
>do
>get to make a fighti' roll to essential parry the attack if they are using
>fightin' . That is a on page 129 under vamossin'
>

That is what I meant and believe I stated.  As I noted, you _could_ adapt 
the Parrying rules from DL/HoE if you wanted to for BNW

>Now I will add my imput on the BNW part. From what I have seen speedsters 
>tend
>to work best as hit and run.  Using first move they  run in. Attack a 
>couple
>times and run out. If they stay in close you always should try to dodge the
>goliath. I don't care if you have hand to hand 5 it will hit the speedster. 
>The
>speedster will have more actions most likely so they afford to blow a few 
>to
>dodge the goliath. remebr the goliaths are slow so they may only get two
>actions.  A speedster should get on average 3.
>
>

I think the concern from yesterday was that the Speedster's (Dodge + Speed 
bonus + Die Roll) wasn't sufficient to avoid the Goliath (Fighting + 
Strength bonus + Die Roll).  Although that chance was about 50/50.  Thus 
some folks thought the Speedster should get the typical BNW HTH skill-level 
bonus as well.

I think I showed yesterday how the chance of the Speedster getting hit after 
the Goliath broke his held action, tried to beat the Speedster at the 
subsequent tie-breaking roll, etc., actually gave the Speedster a much 
better chance of surviving.

And that, of course, assumes, that you're worried that each combat-based 
character must be _exactly_ balanced.

Hope that clarifies things from my end.

>Spacedog
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