Re: [BNW] population statistics

[nightwing@uswestmail.net]

 To the note of sympathetic terrorist movements one comes to mind.  The Israeli Government.  The move to make Israel a Jewish homeland started as a terrorist movement.  

On Wed, 12 April 2000, "Malcolm Knight" wrote:

> 
> 
> From: Ewan <e.chilton@bcftcs.ac.uk>
> 
> > I dont know, ther have been successfull terrorist movents that have used
> > assination or sabotage without loosing the public sympathy
> 
> Like who? Find us some examples.
> 
> > are you sure, I bet there is more that 30k FBI agents.
> 
>     Absolutely. There are approximately 11,400 field agents and over 16,400
> other employees. That's less than 30,000 usually.
> 
> > say that 1/6 of the total are defiance 500 defiance 4 factions 125
> militant
> > defiants in the city.
> 
>     I think you over estimate the level of organization the Defiance posses.
> I kind of envisioned them banding into a lot smaller groups. If they band
> together at all.
> 
> > Now they are porbably going to be the more powerfull/
> > trained in weapons deltas so lets have strike teams/terrorist cells of 5
> (a
> > bit smal perhapse but this would be your average group of PC's) thats 25
> > cells in the city that actualy do violent stuff
> 
>     And what do they do? Remember you have the largest standing army in the
> world patrolling the streets as part of their duties. That's going to make
> the Defiance really popular when they start blowing away army patrols,
> especially if the BNW US has some form of national service. That would mean
> that a radical Defiance "strike for freedom" that kills some family's little
> Timmy is not going to make that family think the Defiance is nice when they
> do something like that. I can see people singing "No Surrender" already. The
> only reason I can think of that you would get "Loyalist" anti-defiance
> terrorists is because know body knows who Defiance are. Oh, except for that
> publicly available Delta register. Opps. Hey, is this starting to sound like
> the main theme of the X-men to anyone else?
> 
> > >     Humm....might be an idea to read the Rifts Coalition War Campaign
> for
> > > hints on how to run a police state and get away with it.
> >
> > you see I just cant imagine the benevolent police state that some people
> on
> > the mailing list say the BNW is like. If an offical isnt responsible to th
> e
> > public then they can abuse their powers with impunity in many ways just
> look
> > at the EU commity, cold war russia or and of the small dictator ships
> around
> > the world. I was thinking of a macarthy era 'dark skies' type
> > govenment/society most people are content in thier conformity but they pay
> > the price in civil liberties and the represion of free speach/ideas
> 
>     I forgot to mention the historical police state you could use as a
> template for BNW. 1930's-1940's Nazi Germany. They had a minority to
> oppress, and I'm pretty sure that Hitler managed to change the law so he was
> Chancellor for life. Remember, Hitler was legally and democratically
> elected, and was also incredibly popular. He also did some of the most
> astoundingly illegal and immoral things as leader of his country. I seem to
> remember him prattling on about foreign threats as well (before the invasion
> of France, that is), whipping his people into nationalistic frenzies. And
> BNW US has the Red Menace and height of cold war paranoia to help enforce
> the idea that the Federal Government needs to maintain marshal law and
> strict controls on all Delta's to ensure that your children don't end up
> speaking Russian as a first language.
>     I disagree with Ewan that officials would no longer be responsible to
> the public though. I just think that when it comes to Delta's or Communism,
> no one, even public servants, will want to show signs of sympathies. It
> could ruin their carriers, lose the respect of their friends and family,
> even place them under investigation by local authorities, or persecution by
> local "good citizens".
> 
>     Malcolm.
> 
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