RE: [DL] Keepin' the posse honest (spoiler)

[Munch Wolf <munchwolf@yahoo.com>]

---Bertrand writes:
> spoilers
>
>
>
>
> The way I see it, if its brain is damaged or 
> destroyed, the 
> harrowed/undead
> is down for good. Isn't that stated in the main book
> or book o' the 
> dead ?

Yes, that particular abomination is gone and its soul
goes back to the hunting grounds (BotD pg 102), but
there is nothing saying ANOTHER manitou can't revive
the body as an abomination.  Note this wouldn't be
common, timely, and would probably involve outside
assistance (voodooist re-raising a partially complete
body), but it is possible.  The only thing that would
completely stop the reuse of a body would be the
blessed 'Final Rites'.

--- Jeffery Yates <jyates@qlinktech.com> wrote:
> > spoilers
> 
> To be a walking dead, or a harrowed, the brain needs
> to be available and
> whole.  Sufficient head wounds are assumed to
> demolish the brain, leaving
> insufficient material for a manitou to take up
> residence.  This is in the
> books.

I would LOVE to know where this rule is, book and
page.
From the original rulebook, pg 161, "Whenever a player
character dies in the game and her body is mostly
intact (especially the head), ..."

Mostly intact ... not completely intact ... not brain
wholey complete ... not dies of only a guts wound ...
mostly intact, I have yet to see the rule that says,
"Sufficient head wounds are assumed to demolish the
brain, leaving insufficient material for a manitou to
take up residence." and would really like to know
where it is.

Now for examples where not alot of brain is needed ...
Walking Fossils (RVC pg 121), "Whether animated by
determined manitous that manage to find a trace of
brain matterr, or simply created as entirely new
beings by the Reckoners, walkin' fossils are dangerous
predators."  
Only a trace is needed, or a non-manitou based spirit
creature is used .. either way, gives an example of an
undead forming without the whole, or even this case
mostly intact brain available ...

Bone Fiend (RVC pg 88), "Most manitous are capable of
taking material form by entering the brain of a
corpse, but they need gray matter that's relatively
intact.  Some manitous, however, are either especially
persistent or particularly gifted.  The manitou that
animates a bone fiend first finds a human skull with
at least a little bit of brain matter left and sets up
shop."  
Another example where only a small ammount of brain is
needed.

Finally, Patchwork Science (RVC2, pg 82), "Meister
figured out that by putting a portion of a single
brain in each of the attached parts, reanimation was
possible.  What she didn't know was that she was
creating a type of walkin' dead that has brains
everywhere in its body - not just the head!"
Pieces of brain in all parts of the body ... and note,
to kill the creature all body locations must be
maimed.

and since I briefly mentioned it last time, but didn't
fully cover it, check out the picture in Back East:
the North on page 76, which was supposed to be the
final answer on this question a long time ago (but
seems that it's not).

>  There's no telling
> what is or isn't the same anymore. Keeps players on
> their toes!
> 

You say you like keeping players on there toes, but
find it difficult to accept the same body with a
mostly intact brain could be used multiple times by
different manitous for different abominations?

-Munch Wolf

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