RE: [DL] Keepin' the posse honest (spoiler)

["Jeffery Yates" <jyates@qlinktech.com>]

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> --- toadpooka@juno.com wrote:
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> > > > Another thing I do is I give away a non-spoiler
> > right away.  I
> > > tell my players - especially the Doomtown ones -
> > that Abraham Lincoln
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> > > dead. dead. dead.  He died from a head wound which
> > means that he can't
> > > come back harrowed.  period.
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> > Actually, Lincoln bled to death, which in Deadlands
> > terms, means he died
> > of wounds to the guts.
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> Alright, I know this wasn't Allan's intent (ok, I
> don't know, I just feel it wasn't), but I've never
> seen a rule that said if a normal person died of a
> head wound that they couldn't come back harrowed.
> Head wounds are only effective at taking down harrowed
> or walking dead.  Nor have I seen any rule that by
> putting extra lead into a "dead" dead body's head,
> that it will prevent them from rising.  I also have
> not seen a rule that says a walking dead brought down
> by a head wound cannot be raised again as a walking
> dead.  ALSO, I do not recall seeing a rule that says a
> harrowed brought down by a head wound cannot come back
> as walking dead ... and if you want to really stretch
> it
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> a harrowed brought down by a head wound can still come
> back harrowed, just a different manitou and soul in
> the body than the original (or consider it 2 different
> harrowed using the same body at different times).
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> Now I know in Allan's example he was using his own
> house interpritation, and therefor Lincoln is dead.
> Perfectly acceptible.  Other views?
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> -Munch "Yes, I know one of the Back East books has a
> picture which answers this question, and yes I know
> this has been covered before ... it just appears we
> are not all on the same page" Wolf

To be a walking dead, or a harrowed, the brain needs to be available and
whole.  Sufficient head wounds are assumed to demolish the brain, leaving
insufficient material for a manitou to take up residence.  This is in the
books.

In real life, Lincoln was shot in the head, but the wound "level" wasn't
terribly high.  He died of blood loss and other complications, not head
wounds.  In canon Deadlands, Lincoln could and did become harrowed.  In
Allan's world, either the original gunshot wound was much worse, or no
manitou was ever sent to inhabit the body, so Lincoln stayed dead.

Back on thread, I keep to canon Deadlands pretty much.  I do however run my
own creations, or introduce PEG material at odd times or intermingled with
my own stuff, or alter certain aspects of items/people within PEG material
to keep things interesting. "NPC X has a automaton bodyguard that does Y in
the book, but my players (one or two of which are marshal's also) meet X
with a middle-aged female bodyguard" -- kinda stuff.  There's no telling
what is or isn't the same anymore. Keeps players on their toes!

Jeff Y.
Marshal for the Dynamite Gang