In a message dated 3/31/01 7:45:33 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Deadlander@aol.com writes: << does the above hinderance give you the -2 to shooting pistols and rifles etc. i am assuming it does as they are mechanical items, or is it only relevant for steam wagons and the like? >> No it doesn't, but it does give you a -2 to speed load... I believe this is in the accumulated rulings.