Re: [HoE] Templars and Anti-Templars

[Coucouvinis <deimos@tig.com.au>]

<these messages are getting ridiculously long, so I'm going to try and make this
one a little shorter>

Steve Crow wrote:

> Doomsayers, Doomsayers, Doomsayers...  A village of "not-evil" Chosen under
> threat by BHs or something is the kind of thing that cries out for
> purple-Doomsayer involvement.  If you got a Doomsayer in the party , hey
> presto - instant party conflict with the Templar.  The Doomsayer could no
> doubt talk the community into accepting his party's help (particularly if
> they have minor mutations - half my group does anyway).
>
> The question is, what if the Chosen then don't measure up the Templar's
> standards of "worthiness"?

Well, in my group, with the way the Templars are played, we would probably then
have a (semi-)heated debate about whether the Chosen's previous treatment was
enough to excuse them for not being hospitable, and the Templar would probably
end up helping them - if they let him. He's heroic, though. I figure if the PCs
have some respect for each other, the arguments of the others may persuade the
Templar to help the Chosen - and if he's been persuaded (ie doing it of his own
free will), then he hasn't necessarily broken his oath. If the arguments were
strong enough to convince him, then they may well be strong enough to convince
Simon if it ever comes up.

If he's not convinced, then he could devote himself to saving the 250 worthy
people - by either defending them, or moving them to a safer place until the
fighting was over.

Is uppose my basic point is this - if a Templar comes to a town, finds 250 of
the people unworthy and 250 worthy, his oath *demands* that he help the worthy.
Whether he uses the unworthy to help him do that is up to him. (and if he
doesn't actually tell the unworthy that they're scum who he shouldn't be
bothering with, he might have a better chance of persuading them ;-)

> I think the Templar SB is pretty clear.  But again, either they have to be
> strict, or the Templar is just a cool guy with cool powers and no real
> restrictions or responsibilities other than to not do something really
> blatantly stupid (i.e., help biker gangs).

I think the Templar SB is fairly clear too - Templars do not all have the same
idea about who is worthy and who isn't, and while they have oaths to follow -
within guidelines they are expected to make their own decisions, not think "Now
how would Simon handle this?" Simon isn't there, and the Templar has to rely on
his own sense of what is right tempered by the oaths he has taken. Otherwise
choices for Templar PCs become one - Simon-clones. Otherwise, go to the ATs.

I think I've basically responded to most of your points here - if not, my
apologies, and if you want, feel free to reiterate them - I'm pressed for time
at the moment.

Nick.