Re: [HOE] harrowed and faith- spoiler

[Theo McGuckin <tsm@jlab.org>]

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> Correct, a manitou cannot access a Blessed's favors, however (agreeing
> with Nick Z. on this), Ch'i powers are fair game.  Templar Rewards.
> Hmm.  My gut reaction says yes, a Manitou can use them. Here's why.
> Although on the surface similar to the concept of a Blessed's favors,
> Rewards are different in the sense that even Simon isn't exactly sure
> where the power behind them comes from.  While the Templars are
> _loosely_ based upon Christianity, a Templar's faith is simply based
> upon a belief in "the saints or some power of goodness that watches over
> the world".  The fact that the Anti-Templars may access these Rewards as
> well brings a shade of doubt as to this being where the power behind
> these come from. Now, Martyr Blessings are an entirely different
> matter...these I would say are off limits to the manitou.  These would
> seem to be obviously angled toward the powers of good, proven to some
> extent in that Anti-Templars may not aquire them.

But doesn't the book kind of go out of its way to point out that the
powers now come from the reckoners, not the "other source"? That's why
they don't get their martyrs anymore. That's why Simon can't "remove"
their powers. Come to think of it, what about the fact that Simon can't
remove the powers from black-balled templars? It seems like anyone with
the right "gumpsion" can become a templar, that means that you don't have
to be born with the knack for it (like for sykers or doomies). That would
tend to indicate that powers are "gifted" from an outside source. And it
sure ain't the reckoners...

> However, this brings up an interesting point to discuss regarding Martyr
> Blessings and Blessed Favors.  While the manitou of a Harrowed Templar
> can't use them, can the acts of the manitou while in charge lead the
> character to suffer the effects of Sinnin' and Fallin' from Grace?  I'd
> say yes.  While the "soul" of the individual isn't responsible for the
> atrocious acts, the body (which all living folks would see and identify
> with) would obviously be seen doing them.  Responsibility for the body's
> actions has to fall somewhere...and teh Harrowed individual would have a
> hard time explaining himself once back in control  This would seem to be
> the way a manitou could hose a Blessed or Martyr favored Templar.
> Thoughts?  Discussion?

I think they would definitely be held responsible (Simon/Joan might even
black ball them just because they've proven themselves too dangerous). And
as far as martyr's go I would say they still get the blame. But I would
give the player a better chance to make amends than if he had willfully
gone against the martyr.

Theo McGuckin - SysAdmin, JLab


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