Re: [HOE] harrowed and faith- spoiler

["Nick Zachariasen" <zacharin@pluto.dsu.edu>]

> Jeff Y wrote (just throwing in the spoiler space for good measure, as
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> However, this brings up an interesting point to discuss regarding Martyr
> Blessings and Blessed Favors.  While the manitou of a Harrowed Templar
> can't use them, can the acts of the manitou while in charge lead the
> character to suffer the effects of Sinnin' and Fallin' from Grace?  I'd
> say yes.  While the "soul" of the individual isn't responsible for the
> atrocious acts, the body (which all living folks would see and identify
> with) would obviously be seen doing them.  Responsibility for the body's
> actions has to fall somewhere...and teh Harrowed individual would have a
> hard time explaining himself once back in control  This would seem to be
> the way a manitou could hose a Blessed or Martyr favored Templar.
> Thoughts?  Discussion?

Most definitely NOT.  Sinnin' (and I believe Shane himself has said as much,
or at least Goff) requires knowledge and willfulness.  It's not the Blessed
that's doing it, it's the manitou.  True, it's the Blessed character's BODY,
it's not his MIND, and therefore he is not responsible just because he
wasn't strong enough to keep the manitou from coming out to play.  After
all, he's only human (more or less).  The willfulness (and even knowledge,
since the character can't see what the manitou's doing) just isn't there.
Just as you cannot be held responsible for the actions of another person (in
most cases, anyway), the Blessed cannot lose access to his Miracles (not
Favors, those are for Shamen [is that the correct plural?]) for something
the manitou did.  His soul wasn't involved in the action, therefore he's not
responsible for it.

Now, as for how this would affect Templars, I'm really not sure.  I'd
suppose you'd have to consider how Sinnin' works on Blessed Gifts, which is
what Rewards work more or less like.  I do agree, though, the Martyr
Blessings are right out for the manitou.  T don't help evil, sucka!

Nick Zachariasen
Editor Emeritus
Trojan Times