Re: [HOE] Just a thought; irritated about the language thing

["Stephan Elsner" <schnabul@yahoo.de>]

Lets forget about that.

Iīd love to see you on the page, man!!

Stephan, DRC-Marshal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lorgryt" <lorgryt.detroll@verizon.net>
To: <hoe@gamerz.net>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [HOE] Just a thought; irritated about the language thing


> In my own defense it was NOT directed at any person. It was in the context
> of "Want to shoot yourself in the foot?" "F THAT!"
>
> I was not telling any of the DRC team to F off.
>
> As far as the DRC is concerned, my point was the Legal Contract that
caused
> the DRC to become the Joint Owner with out recourse of the Author of the
> work.  It was very advantageous to DRC.  Allen proposed a good Use Licence
> alternative to them and they have changed it.
>
> I got all fired up over this because of a long standing feud with a bunch
> of greedy, blood-sucking Shysters that used the same kind of scam on a
> bunch of us writers and artists to run off with our work.  As I read the
> other comments on this I realized that I PROBABLY let both barrels loose
on
> some other overly dandified, but likely innocent, fellows.  I have said as
> much in Deadlands, but not in so wordy a way.  I did it there by agreeing
> with Allen that I over-reacted, and that it needed to be dropped.
>
> I did not follow suit here because some of you are still raising a ruckus
I
> started.
>
> TO EVERYONE HERE!  I apologize for the Ghost Storm that came from my not
> liking the deal DRC proposed.  I am not sorry for "F That" comment because
> it was not AT any one, it was ABOUT giving ownership of the hard work of
> all of the fine writers out there to the DRC.  The DRC no longer has that
> Clause in its contract with the submitters.  For that I am glad.
>
> By the way, I thought the DRC was a good idea, and was going to submit to
> it, until I read the agreement about it.  At the time I thought it was a
> scam to get the e-rights to the work of the submitters. A way of
hi-jacking
> for profits as yet unseen... a kind of Piracy.  I see now it was an
> instance where the DRC used legalese from the music industry out of a need
> to try and protect themselves, and not being native speakers of English
> didn't understand that it was a "Jolly Roger" agreement (as we used to
call
> it in the olden days).  With the way it is worded now it is a worthwhile
> place to use, though I doubt I will submit anytime soon.  That doesn't
mean
> that any of you should avoid it.
>
> So, in conclusion... I apologize for the trouble, but not for the intent,
> of my outburst.  It did have the effect it should have, the DRC is now
> asking for use, not ownership.  I could, and should, have handled it
> differently.  There are reasons for it, but no excuses.
>
> Bo Whitten
>
> At 05:55 PM 2/10/2003 +0100, you wrote:
> >Thanks for your support!
> >Its great to hear such positive feedback. By the way I was the guy who
felt
> >offended by lorgryns way of talking to us. So I didnīt mean you. Or are
you
> >lorgryn? That would be a quick change of mind then ;).
> >Anyway I normally don't feel offended by a mere f***. It was just in the
> >special context, you know.....
> >
> >greetings
> >DRC-Marshal Schnabul
>
>
>
>
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