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Re: [pbmserv-dev] Gigamic games and GIPF project games.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David GLAUDE PBEM" <dglaude@gmx.net>
>* QUARTO is fun but games are very short. Also the concept of giving
>your opponent the piece he is going to play trouble me always.
>Given the simplicity of the game and computer power nowdays,
>you PC is already world champion an is going to beat you anyway.
>One of the problem for PBeM is the ASCII representation of those 16 pieces.
>But we have ASCII artist arround.
I can't think of a good ASCII representation for Quarto. It would be way
difficult to represent the four features of the pieces (height, color,
shape, and "hollowness") properly -- that is, without being too ugly or
abstract. Besides, this game has never actually managed to catch my
attention. But hey, that's just me! ;)
>* PYLOS is really amazing if you take advanced rules, the only problem
>is that nothing in the rule prevent against loop were the same position
>get's repeated again and again. Maybe rules like in Chess should be
>introduce.
>It is sad since it make the game not properly define. (like Abalone)
>The problem I see fo this game is the ASCII 3D representation, good luck.
I haven't played this one much, but it sure looks interesting. As for the
representation, it could be made rather easily by separating the four layers
of marbles, like this:
+---+---+---+---+
| | | | | +---+---+---+
+---x---x---x---+ | | | | +---+---+
| | | | | +---x---x---+ | | | +---+
+---x---x---x---+ | | | | +---x---+ | |
| | | | | +---x---x---+ | | | +---+
+---x---x---x---+ | | | | +---+---+
| | | | | +---+---+---+
+---+---+---+---+
> QUORIDOR is maybe the best game they made. It is well balance and clearly
>computer are not ready for this game, where player of every level get fun
>and
>suspense with it. There is a kid version but the rules are exactly the same
>as the original. I have play many competion in Belgium and even with the
>board
>limited size it has always been challenging to win, even against beginners.
>To get the full complexity from the game and understand the strategy,
>you need a few games or good advice. You can indeed make your path easy or
>make
>the other dificult. You can give a dificult choice to your opponent or
>simplify
>your situation by closing one of the alternative given to you. You can also
>avoid your opponent blocking your path/one of his path by playing a
>defensive
>move. It is always amazing. It is also a game that seems computer hard.
>ASCII won't be fun, but is should be possible.
>If noone start working on the PBeM version of this game I will (contact
me).
Now this is the one. :) I agree with you that quoridor is without a doubt
the best of the lot -- or, at least the best of the ones I've tried. I've
played some games throught email and was actually thinking of implementing
it for the server. Unfortunately this was not planned in the short run, as I
am not that fluent in C++ yet. So, please, go ahead!
You might find helpful to have a look at the ASCII representation that I've
been using in my email games lately (of course, my opponent and I had to
edit the board manually each time, but this was not all that amount of
work).
-----------------------------------------
Partida de Quoridor
-------------------
Sirrus vs Jarrausi
1. N 2. S
3. N 4. S
5. N 6. S
7. E5- 8. O
9. O 10. C6-
11. C5- 12. E
13. F6| 14. N
15. C3- 16. N
17. A3- 18. B4|
19. E3- 20. E
21. E 22. E
23. E 24. S
25. E 26. S
27. G3- 28. H5-
29. F8| 30. H2|
-----------------------------------------
[N]
A B C D E F G H
+---+---+---+---+---+---·---+---+---+
| | |
8 + + + + + + | + + + 8
| | |
7 + + + + + + · + + + 7
| | |
6 + + ·-------· + | + + + 6
| | V |
5 + + ·-------·-------· ·-------· 5
[O] | | | [E]
4 + + | + + + + + + + 4
| | A |
3 ·-------·-------·-------·-------· + 3
| | |
2 + + + + + + + + | + 2
| | |
1 + + + + + + + + · + 1
| |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
A B C D E F G H
[S]
Vallas:
Sirrus (A): || (2)
Jarrausi(V): |||||| (6)
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Well, I guess that should be pretty much self-explainable. Just note that
'O' stands for Oeste (West in Spanish, shouldn't be much of a hassle to
change that ;) and 'vallas' means, as you've already guessed, fences. I
think I've made the notation as short and clear as possible.
>Now I want to make sure Gigamic did give the authorisation...
>Did you receive an e-mail? snail-mail? writen? spoken?
>I did try to contact them in the past for the game Zenix, but got no reply.
>Also I wonder if we need authorisation from the game inventor too?
I recall that the Italian inventor of Quoridor, or more precisely, of an
earlier version of the game named Pinko Pallino, gave his authorization
about a year ago or so in the pbmserver-users list, when I wrote back then
about the game, looking for an implementor. Oh well, it just took a year to
find him. ;)
>As for PBeM friendly games author I should also mention that I am
>working on DVONN the last baby from the GIPF project http://www.gipf.com.
>I have the author first green light, he want to see the result
>to verify if the notation system is compatible with what he want.
>Also when Zenix and DVONN are finish I plan to work in Zertz11
>the new version of the game Zertz but this time with 11 extra position
>(extended board).
Good to have enthusiastic energetic people like you around. :)
Sirrus