Re: [PyrNet-L] Pyr-related, FINALLY!

["Dianne Migas" <jdmigas@email.msn.com>]

Dear Sally,

You have better have plenty of proof as to what you are accussing both the
boyd's & the coombs of.   There isn't a kennel or puppy mill out there that
doesn't have problems in there breeding program.   Let's not forget to say
what happens to these dogs when they go into peoples homes.

I don't know how Jean works but I can tell you that I have heard personal
attacks made on the coombs which they were made aware of but not once have
they dignified or lowered themselves with slandering the individuals who
attacked them.    If they have a problem with that individual they deal with
it privately not on a list.    I deal very closely with them and they are
NOT on this list to defend themselves but trust me they will hear about this
and I hope that they will respond to your accusations.     The wonderful
(imho) Whit Coombs  along with others was not notified that the hosting club
had CHANGED THE DATE OF THE NATIONAL and he along with other GPCA members
accepted judging assignments.     Nancy will be at the National will you?

As far as their breeding - read your code of ethics if you are a GPCA
member.    If you think you know the coomb's breeding so well - i invite you
to come to my house or hell i'll come to yours with my Maranatha dogs and
then we can talk.   Or maybe you might want to accompany me on our therapy
visits with mentally challenged adults?  Notorious for scared dogs!
Really?   No not all of anyones pyrs are perfect (except mine vbg) but one
hopes to improve with each litter.
Tell us who you are and how many litters you have had that makes you such an
authority.

And as far as his judging -  I wasn't there but if it is valid it should be
taking up the AKC not on this pyr list.    Did your dog/bitch loose when you
feel it should have won - then again that's an AKC issue.

Dianne Migas - NJ
jdmigas@email.msn.com

Have you hugged your Pyr today?  Gunner's off to the "Fat Farm"
and Murphy's still ROTF laughing!  Ha! Ha! "FAT BOY"

-----Original Message-----
From: Sally . <sally9140@hotmail.com>
To: pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org <pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org>
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [PyrNet-L] Pyr-related, FINALLY!


>This message is long, but it is well worth it.  For the first time, it
>will address some of the DOG related issues in the background.  I do not
>feel that I have betrayed any confidences as I understand the entire
>truth about the last "33" (which is more like 20-25) years is about to
>come out.
>
>>From: Tigerlilly <tigerlilly71@yahoo.com>
>>It was never my practice to register a client's domain
>>under my own name, nor was it Victoria's practice
>
>Ms. Lilly - it takes only a few moments of research on both of your
>sites and through the Internic database to see that "rivergroves.com"
>was the #FIRST# domain name registered by either of you.  When you
>intentionally distort such easily recognizable facts, your point is
>lost.
>
>>From: Tigerlilly <tigerlilly71@yahoo.com>
>>I witnessed that Victoria did receive a check from Jean Boyd for
>>$100 for domain name registration.
>
>That's incredible!  Around 50 webpages and domain name registration all
>for a low $100!  Your friend, Jean Boyd, must have gotten the deal of
>the century.  Prices like that just can't be beat -- almost makes you
>wonder how one could stay in business with such prices.
>
>Do you have any other information that helps prove Jean Boyd's
>well-detailed and believable side of the story?
>
>Tim Parks mentioned that Jean Boyd is not on this list.  That is odd
>since I have seen her post here.  How could anyone try to paint Jean
>Boyd as a "victim"?  Jean Boyd has a history of using people and dogs to
>her full advantage and then setting out to destroy them when she is done
>with them.
>
>As someone else pointed out, Jean Boyd is famous for getting new and
>unknowledgeable people in the breed to do her "dirty work."  Perhaps
>these underlings should get their story straight before airing it in a
>public forum, or am I the only person that noticed the inconsistencies
>in Jennifer Young's and Tim Parks' emails?  For instance, in Jennifer
>Young's email, first Jean Boyd had no idea that the website would be in
>Victoria Coffman's name and then: "The owner of the kennel has made it
>clear that she would like her Domain name returned to her and placed
>within her name  - which was the original deal years ago."  Then Tim
>Parks writes in that the Coffmans were not part owners of the kennel,
>website, or domain name and then refers to them as "ex-partners."  So,
>which is it, folks?  Do either Tim Parks or Jennifer Young have any
>proof to go along with these accusations?  Or are they just repeating
>what has been fed to them?
>
>Jen, instead of spewing someone else's venom, why don't you ask your
>breeder more about your new puppy.  I understand that you have a new
>"Supreme" Ch. Rivergroves You Be the Judge puppy.  Is this puppy for
>breeding, and, if so, did Jean Boyd tell you what to expect from future
>litters?  Did she mention what things to watch for from your puppy?
>Like, just for starters, did she mention that his MOTHER and TWO OF HIS
>SISTERS had epilepsy?  Did she mention that Supreme has a 50% chance of
>being a dwarf?  None of this is ringing a bell?  Well, she must have
>mentioned his worst problem of all then which makes all of the other
>problems pale by comparison.  Now, I'm not sure which litter you got a
>puppy out of -- but, if it was the Supreme and Mascara litter, did Jean
>mention that the mother is dysplastic and that the vet's puppy check
>diagnosed FIVE OF THE TEN with patella problems?????  No??  If it is a
>puppy from Supreme and Nayla, did she mention that there was luxating
>patella there too?  Perhaps, if you intend to breed your dog, you should
>start asking just exactly what kind of percentages of Supreme's puppies
>have been euthanized for luxating patella.  It's really astonishing and
>should show you point blank how everything this poor, helpless little
>victim, Jean Boyd, cares about the health of the dogs and the future of
>the breed.
>
>I know I sleep safer at night just knowing that Jean Boyd is in charge
>of allowing or disallowing membership into the parent club.
>
>Let me see if I've got this right now.  Jean Boyd goes to handling
>classes and then lunch every Wednesday with Nancy Coombs, who has been
>heard slandering one of the members involved at these functions.  Jean
>Boyd and the Coombs have been breeding together. White Coombs is one of
>the Board members who voted to uphold Jean's protest. hmmmmmmmm....
>What's wrong with this picture?  Isn't this the same man who is in
>charge of Judge's Education?  Considering the facts that he put up a
>spook at a national specialty -- one who was so scared that his tail was
>tucked completely under him and his handler had to hold the dog's head
>against his leg -- and the fact that the Coombs are notorious for having
>scared dogs -- and the fact that "temperament is of the utmost
>importance" in this breed -- it does start to make you wonder just what
>it is that he might be teaching other judges.  And now, to top it all
>off, I understand that the good Whit Coombs has accepted a judging
>assignment which directly interferes with the general meeting at the
>national specialty.  How convenient.  Perhaps this is just an attempt to
>avoid facing the music, so to speak.
>
>Tim, before you asked for enlightenment, you should have made sure that
>is what your client, Jean Boyd, truly wanted.  Oh well, too late now.
>And I'm sure that there is -- just oh soooo much -- more to come.  Jean
>Boyd is possibly the most unethical breeder of our time.  I look forward
>to all of the facts coming out.  Perhaps instead of telling other list
>members to take it offline, some will realize that the best thing that
>could ever happen to the dogs in Jean Boyd's care and the breed as a
>whole would be for the truth to come out!
>
>What HAS happened to all of the people and dogs that Jean has been
>through?  How about some of her recent specials?  "Blue" Ch. Rivergroves
>Red White and Blue and "Chanel" Ch. Rivergroves Designer Label?  They
>were placed?  Oh, I see.  Once you start to pin Jean down on her
>stories, you will see that they unfold before your very eyes.  The truth
>is, "Blue" and "Chanel" were both euthanized.  What about Donna
>Ankerway, Jackie Bandi, Cheryl Grimshaw, Carol Doyle, Sharon Greenspun,
>and now the Coffmans.  Wouldn't you LOVE to know the real truth about
>their disappearances too?
>More to come,
>Sally (in case that was still not obvious to some of our slower members
>from my email address)
>p.s.  Sorry in advance for any typos.
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