Yes Joe I will ask the owner/breeder more. Bit busy at show today. Thanks for search tips, I also have info saved on subject I can print off. Jan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No bugs from Ariege Pyreneans and please don't send us any!! Update your virus info please!!! Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.198 / Virus Database: 95 - Release Date: 4/10/00