Re: [pyrnet] Re: Behaviors.

[rene1@sprint.ca]

Cindy wrote:
><< I'm probably going to get blasted for this, >>
>Linda wrote:
>I'm certainly not blasting you but I do think that perhaps you need to
>consider the experiences of most rescue groups in terms of behavior in dogs
>that are abandoned to shelters or given up by their owners because they are
>aggressive.> 
>Also note in the GPCA health survey that the leading cause of death in male
Pyrs under 2 is euthanasia for aggression.  This is NOT a
>pussycat breed. .
.
*Hummmm, Very interesting! Maybe Zeus isn't so far out there after all?
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*Hi Cindy, I do agree with what you said for the most part, but I also agree
with Linda for obvious reasons.
I having the experience with aggression that I do, I have to agree that at
least my Pyr, and many other large breeds, that I recently have learned of
this growing problem, do need the direction and boundaries that Linda speaks
of.
.
Linda wrote: 
>They need firm and clear direction and boundaries or many of
>them overstep immediately.  Allowing a dog to mouth you may easily lead to
>the assumption that he is allowed to use his teeth to express his opinions.
>When that opinion is that he does or does not want something that you want,
>there is trouble brewing.>
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*I also agree with you, that one must be careful not to lump all dogs
together, and that not all dogs are trying to dominate us,(ALL the time) in
what you said: 
.
Cindy wrote:
>I think we do the
>dog a disservice when we are continually suspect of it's every move and
>sure it is out to dominate us with everything it does. 
>A love nibble may
>just be a love nibble.  A plunk on your lap, may just be an attention
>getter for a big cuddle, not a way of making you subordinate. 
>A love nibble may
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Linda wrote:
>  They are not like Goldens or Beagles, nor should they
>be, nor should these breeds act or react identically.
.
*Actually Linda, these breeds also have a rapidly growing problem with
aggression, which probably brings us back to improper breeding. But I do see
your point.
.
Linda:
  >I would also cast
>some cautions about Pyrs (or any LGD breeds) preferring humans to their own
>kind or, even moreso, to their "freedom" and sense of independence. 
.
*Like my trainer said, You will never fully train a hound to keep his nose
off the ground, just like you will never train a Pyr to completely give up
his natural instincts, and will. All we can do is strive to bend these
traits toward the positive, and teach the dog self control. When to use
these traits and when not to.
.
Linda wrote:
  >I love this breed *because* of
>its pride and independence and unwillingness to grovel to me.  We live, my
>dogs and I, in a world of comfort and convenience, each making compromises
>for the needs of the other.  But they are NOT my children and I am not
their
>mother.

* Well I don't want my children to grovel to me either, but I do expect them
to have manners and obey the rules. the same goes for my dogs. (my other
babies) 
Hell, I say "mommies coming" to my horses as well! I guess I'm just one of
those people who think of their animals as extended family. Where as if I
say, go to daddy, my husband barks, "I'm not their daddy!" Oh well, to each
their own.
Respectfully,
Sariena
Owned by, 
Zeus(Pyr & Pepsi(SheppardX)
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