Re: RE: [pyrnet] Family jewels

["Nancy K" <nakhere@hotmail.com>]

I contacted you (and you were going to publish Thor's problem in the GPCA 
paper) after he passed away last January. That never happened. I had had him 
neutered after his first occurence of these tumors when he was 8 yrs old. 
That DID NOT stop them from happening again and again and again. After six 
surgeries it finally was too much for him at 11 years of age. According to 
both my vet and the Vet School in Minneapolis, they can reoccur after 
neutering and he was an obvious example of it. That was why I wanted it put 
in the magazine so I could find out how many others that was happening to.

Also, both of my sources advised that one of the main reasons for neutering 
a male, especially as they age, is that they are indeed more susceptible to 
getting prostrate cancer. I don't know what your source is but if the 
teaching school is teaching that, I would have to think they know what 
they're doing.

I have no intention of arguing any of this with you. I was stating the facts 
as they were given to me. ALL relationships are important, whether they be 
human or human/animal. For the sake of the pet, they should be 
spayed/neutered at a young age so they don't have to go thru the torture my 
dog was forced to endure. Thank you


>From: "Linda Weisser" <lmweisser@attbi.com>
>Reply-To: pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org
>To: <pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org>
>Subject: Re: RE: [pyrnet] Family jewels
>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:56:33 -0800
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nancy K" <nakhere@hotmail.com>
>
><<...because of the reoccurance of those tumors and
>the surgeries necessary to remove them, he suffered miserably.. it was
>ultimately the cause of his death. Because he was old, he never made it 
>thru
>the last surgery without encountering a probable brain clot.>>
>
>I am sorry to hear that Thor suffered so miserably.  This scenario is not
>common with the treatment of perianal adenomas.  If the dog is kept intact
>after the first surgery they generally do recur.  The incidence of
>recurrence in dogs that are neutered at the initial surgery for the problem
>is very low.  How many surgeries did Thor have?  Did the vet suggest the
>first time that he be neutered?  Was that done?  Whatever happened this was
>obviously hard on both of you.
>
><< So, yes, human
>relationships are more important than most everything but a simple neuter
>could prevent many health problems.>>
>
>I wasn't arguing that point.  Although the number of health problems
>prevented by neutering is probably lower than most people believe.  I was
>simply saying that I have a "problem" with lying and deception in a
>relationship in preference to neutering the dog.
>
><< As GPCA Health person, I'm sure you know
>about all the things, including prostate cancer,>>
>
>Actually prostate cancer is not one of the health issues most avoided by
>neutering.  Prostate cancer in very rare.  Here's a quote about prostate
>cancer from a medical source.
>
>||  Prostatic cancer.  This form is much less common than all of the 
>others.
>[forms of prostate problems]  It may be associated with hormones from the
>testicles, adrenal glands, or pituitary glands or it may occur without any
>association with hormones.
>.  Prostatic cancer does not respond well to any currently used form of
>treatment.  If it is associated with an excess of a hormone, castration may
>be beneficial; however, most are not and metastasize rather easily to other
>parts of the body.  The prognosis for these is usually poor.||
>
><< that could be avoided by
>simply doing what is right for the regular "pet quality" Pyr. >>
>
>Much rarer than we think.  And if these procedures are beneficial in
>avoiding medical problems, what do we say of those breeders and exhibitors
>who persist in keeping their dogs intact despite endangering their health??
>
><<Taking on pet
>ownership means taking on the responsibility to protect that pet from
>illnesses you can prevent. >>
>
>Absolutely!!  The issue here is how much illness is actually prevented by
>altering.  And how much one can deceive to have it done.
>
>Linda
>
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