Re: [HoE] Re: Templars and Anti-Templars

["Steve Crow" <crow_steve@hotmail.com>]

>Steve Crow wrote:
>
> > The issue (stil unanswered since I reraised the point yesterday, but 
>which
> > you touch on), is what happens if the Templar PC disregards the Templar
> > guidelines?
> >
>
>It depends on what how badly he broke them - the guidelines are just that,
>guidelines. They're not rules carved in stone. There is no one way to judge 
>a
>person or groups of people. Simon's way is not the way of many of the 
>Templars -
>even the narrator (whose name escapes me) thinks he's too rough on some 
>people
>(I believe she thinks that making people go through the Boise ghost storm 
>is
>harsh).
>

Heh, of course than Jo is way too rough on a lot of people as well...

>Many of the Martyrs encourage giving more leeway in judging people, 
>especially
>certain ones (coughcoughJenny Hisecoughcough). It says in LC that Simon 
>prefers
>that Templars who have received the blessing of St. Hise tell him rather 
>than
>not - they're certainly not blackballed.
>
>My impression from LC was that Templars are rarely blackballed for being 
>too
>lenient - blackballing is more for Templars who are misusing their powers - 
>for
>personal gain, doing evil things, because Templars never lose their powers
>(their blessings, yes, but not the Saint powers) - that's what balckballing 
>and
>the Oath of Blood is for.
>

So we're back to, what _is_ the punishment for being too lenient?  No other 
punishment (of any sort) is suggested that I recall.

And if Templars are free to be "too lenient," doesn't that strip them of 
some of their flavor (which I like, although not necessarily for PCs)?

Like folks have noted, and I agree, Templars should have greater 
responsibility and limits on what they can do, to reflect their great power. 
  But...if you (by way of the Order) don't enforce the responsibility, 
what's to keep the players (particularly those Munchkin types that keep 
getting mentioned) in line, and the flavor of the Templars intact?

> > His Templar brethren, as represented in the source material by folks 
>like
> > Simon and Joan in the upper hierarchy, don't appear to be the types who 
>give
> > their members the benefit of the doubt.
> >
>
>As I said previously, I don't know about this - my impression from both the 
>main
>rulebook and LC is that Templars are rarely blackballed for helping a 
>settlement
>that was judged by another Templar to be unworthy - it's too subjective.
>Blackballing is more for when a Templar "goes bad" - ie kills a settlement 
>or
>some such thing.
>

See above for "what, then?" in the way of responsibility enforcement.

> > So far, there's been no easy answer without compromising the source
> > material.  If you want to make Simon and Joan more easy-going types who 
>just
> > shrug their shoulders and say, "Oh, you screwed up, no problem - do 
>better
> > next time" (and you and they'll probably have to do it ad infinitum), 
>then
> > you're okay.
> >
>
>Not so much that, but I think they'd be less likely to start out by saying 
>"You
>screwed up." Templars are given a fair amount of leeway to make their 
>decisions.
>Again, I suggest looking at the descriptions of the Saints - many of them 
>don't
>like Templars who act like, say, Simon, but Simon doesn't blackball 
>Templars who
>receive the blessing of St. Hise or some of the others.
>

Well, actually that's another point of confusion on our part.  but it boils 
back down to, again, if those Templars are acting in a non-Templar-type way 
to the degree they're getting Hise's blessing...what _does_ Simon do?  Let's 
say that blackballing is out.  What does that leave that keeps the player 
and his character in the group?

>As usual, this is all IIRC and IMHO.
>
>Nick
>
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