RE: [HOE] harrowed and faith- spoiler

["Jeff Yates" <jyates@primaryfunction.com>]

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> > However, this brings up an interesting point to discuss regarding Martyr
> > Blessings and Blessed Favors.  While the manitou of a Harrowed Templar
> > can't use them, can the acts of the manitou while in charge lead the
> > character to suffer the effects of Sinnin' and Fallin' from Grace?  I'd
> > say yes.  While the "soul" of the individual isn't responsible for the
> > atrocious acts, the body (which all living folks would see and identify
> > with) would obviously be seen doing them.  Responsibility for the body's
> > actions has to fall somewhere...and teh Harrowed individual would have a
> > hard time explaining himself once back in control  This would seem to be
> > the way a manitou could hose a Blessed or Martyr favored Templar.
> > Thoughts?  Discussion?
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> Most definitely NOT.  Sinnin' (and I believe Shane himself has
> said as much,
> or at least Goff) requires knowledge and willfulness.  It's not
> the Blessed
> that's doing it, it's the manitou.  True, it's the Blessed
> character's BODY,
> it's not his MIND, and therefore he is not responsible just because he
> wasn't strong enough to keep the manitou from coming out to play.  After
> all, he's only human (more or less).  The willfulness (and even knowledge,
> since the character can't see what the manitou's doing) just isn't there.
> Just as you cannot be held responsible for the actions of another
> person (in
> most cases, anyway), the Blessed cannot lose access to his Miracles (not
> Favors, those are for Shamen [is that the correct plural?]) for something
> the manitou did.  His soul wasn't involved in the action,
> therefore he's not
> responsible for it.

Tho the character still has to deal with the Public Relations issues, just
like any other Harrowed that had it's manitou come out to play...

Jeff Y.