Also, there is a Pyr in the LL Bean Catolog that just came out--page 57. A man in a tweed jacket walking on a footbridge has a Pyr by his side. The catolog has a drawing of a moose riding a sled down a hill chasing a racoon with presents flying all over--Check it out. No vested interest here either! Cathryn Lundberg Solstice Great Pyrs Madison WI soon to be Los Angeles CA