Jan, How true! My input would be either the guy is not telling the truth or these are not really Pyrs? I can't fathom a Pyr that size being sound and healthy, not saying it couldn't be so, just saying it would be very hard to picture. (and achieve) Barb Bowes, NJ down at the shore! Bo, Molly, Chelsea & Flopsy the Pyr Shep The more people I meet, the more I like my dog! bamb@monmouth.com