Dan, I would be very interested in hearing your ideas. We live in the country in Oklahoma and are getting ready to hopefully this summer start fencing our property. We have 20 acres. Our dogs are pyr/st. b, pyr/newfie, & malamute. Malamute is fine, the other two tend to wonder some but not far. you get directly email me at okduh@juno.com. Thanks, Jodi