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I agree that some judges need a lot more
education BUT...at a recent seminar the presenter
told the participants that the head in the
illustrated standard looked that way because it
was "out of coat"...interesting...
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> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:26:47 -0500
> From: mapleway@iolinc.net
> Subject: Re: [pyrnet] New and want info on
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>     Do you mean the cover of the New Complete
> Great Pyrenees, published =
> in 1991, updated from the 1977 version?  The
> dog on this cover is Ch. =
> Ville Vieux Le Roi, HOF (listed on back cover),
> breeder/owner Anne Major =
> Rappaport.  They do mention him on page 133 as
> a multiple Best In Show =
> winner along with his sire and grandsire.  He's
> in my Kayla's (Staranch =
> Maple Way Glori Be) 5th generation a few times.
>  He's pictured again on =
> page 254 with his sire Ch. Ville Vieux Yankee
> Sunshine, HOF who's sire =
> (Ch. Sunshine Of Karolaska, HOF/HOF) is
> pictured back on page 132 and =
> 209.  I've also always rather liked Ch. Ville
> Vieux Limberlost Berry.
>     As for the painting, the one up top I like
> although maybe a touch =
> short muzzled, of course it's lying down.  The
> 1901, I've always thought =
> resembled a furry greyhound....in the head
> anyway.
>     Where did you find H'Echez?  I do think
> K'Eros is a little heavy, =
> however, I believe it is Mary Crane stating on
> page 41 that he was of =
> "correct Pyrenees type, not carrying the
> faults" mentioned on page 40 of =
> coarse heads.
> 
> Chrissy
> 
>   I wish I had Mary Cranes book as a reference,
> but unfortunately I =
> don't.=20
>   I did find H'Echez de Guerveur, and K'Eros in
> Paul Strang's book, but =
> could=20
>   not find J'Nive ll de Langladure in it. I
> have a couple of other pyr =
> books=20
>   which I have loaned out, and will look to see
> if the other dog is in =
> either=20
>   of them. I must say that I do find K'Eros to
> have a rather oversized =
> head,=20
>   from what I read he was a very large dog in
> general. If you have a =
> copy of=20
>   Paul Strang's book near, what do you think of
> the head, and "apparent" =
> 
>   composition of the dog on the cover?  Paul
> doesn't mention the dog in =
> text;=20
>   but to me he seems large in structure, yet
> gives a definite elegant=20
>   appearance. Also there is a painting dated
> 1901 just on the inside of =
> the=20
>   cover, although it could be the artist eye,
> this dog looks far =
> different from=20
>   any pyr I've ever seen.  I'm still new enough
> to the breed to not have =
> yet=20
>   formulated a true opinion on proper type, but
> I do find the subject =
> very=20
>   interesting, and you're obviously much more
> knowledgeable on this =
> subject=20
>   than I.  In judging conformation, I'm still
> taken aback at how 4 =
> different=20
>   judges on 4 consecutive days can pick 4
> different winners from the =
> same group=20
>   of dogs. I guess opinion on type must vary
> largely on their level as =
> well.=20
>       Charlie=20
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     Look at Mary Cranes book.  Page 341. 
> H'Echez de Guerveur.  Heavy =
> head.  =20
>     Bone=20
>     does not look to bad but a bit too much
> possibly.  Page 355 K'Eros =
> de=20
>     Guerveur.  Awful head and too much bone
> possibly. Page 356 J'Nive II =
> de=20
>     Langladure.  Awesome head (good head) and
> look at the bone.  This is =
> what=20
>     it=20
>     is all about.  See the difference?  How
> many times you see this head =
> in the=20
>     ring?=20
> 
>     Joe=20
> 
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