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[pyrnet] judges' education
I agree that some judges need a lot more
education BUT...at a recent seminar the presenter
told the participants that the head in the
illustrated standard looked that way because it
was "out of coat"...interesting...
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> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:26:47 -0500
> From: mapleway@iolinc.net
> Subject: Re: [pyrnet] New and want info on
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> Do you mean the cover of the New Complete
> Great Pyrenees, published =
> in 1991, updated from the 1977 version? The
> dog on this cover is Ch. =
> Ville Vieux Le Roi, HOF (listed on back cover),
> breeder/owner Anne Major =
> Rappaport. They do mention him on page 133 as
> a multiple Best In Show =
> winner along with his sire and grandsire. He's
> in my Kayla's (Staranch =
> Maple Way Glori Be) 5th generation a few times.
> He's pictured again on =
> page 254 with his sire Ch. Ville Vieux Yankee
> Sunshine, HOF who's sire =
> (Ch. Sunshine Of Karolaska, HOF/HOF) is
> pictured back on page 132 and =
> 209. I've also always rather liked Ch. Ville
> Vieux Limberlost Berry.
> As for the painting, the one up top I like
> although maybe a touch =
> short muzzled, of course it's lying down. The
> 1901, I've always thought =
> resembled a furry greyhound....in the head
> anyway.
> Where did you find H'Echez? I do think
> K'Eros is a little heavy, =
> however, I believe it is Mary Crane stating on
> page 41 that he was of =
> "correct Pyrenees type, not carrying the
> faults" mentioned on page 40 of =
> coarse heads.
>
> Chrissy
>
> I wish I had Mary Cranes book as a reference,
> but unfortunately I =
> don't.=20
> I did find H'Echez de Guerveur, and K'Eros in
> Paul Strang's book, but =
> could=20
> not find J'Nive ll de Langladure in it. I
> have a couple of other pyr =
> books=20
> which I have loaned out, and will look to see
> if the other dog is in =
> either=20
> of them. I must say that I do find K'Eros to
> have a rather oversized =
> head,=20
> from what I read he was a very large dog in
> general. If you have a =
> copy of=20
> Paul Strang's book near, what do you think of
> the head, and "apparent" =
>
> composition of the dog on the cover? Paul
> doesn't mention the dog in =
> text;=20
> but to me he seems large in structure, yet
> gives a definite elegant=20
> appearance. Also there is a painting dated
> 1901 just on the inside of =
> the=20
> cover, although it could be the artist eye,
> this dog looks far =
> different from=20
> any pyr I've ever seen. I'm still new enough
> to the breed to not have =
> yet=20
> formulated a true opinion on proper type, but
> I do find the subject =
> very=20
> interesting, and you're obviously much more
> knowledgeable on this =
> subject=20
> than I. In judging conformation, I'm still
> taken aback at how 4 =
> different=20
> judges on 4 consecutive days can pick 4
> different winners from the =
> same group=20
> of dogs. I guess opinion on type must vary
> largely on their level as =
> well.=20
> Charlie=20
>
>
>
>
> Look at Mary Cranes book. Page 341.
> H'Echez de Guerveur. Heavy =
> head. =20
> Bone=20
> does not look to bad but a bit too much
> possibly. Page 355 K'Eros =
> de=20
> Guerveur. Awful head and too much bone
> possibly. Page 356 J'Nive II =
> de=20
> Langladure. Awesome head (good head) and
> look at the bone. This is =
> what=20
> it=20
> is all about. See the difference? How
> many times you see this head =
> in the=20
> ring?=20
>
> Joe=20
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