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Re: Re: [pyrnet] Re: Pano and diet
Hey there Charlotte!
I am not questioning the experience that either you or Joe have as breeders or the length of time anyone has been in the breed. As Carolyn Hardy once said - "once you think you know it all - you need to get out of the breed" - so therefore, I have always sought to keep learning by asking "experienced breeders" for their input, as I have with both you and Joe.
So I ask you to consider the following:
Over the years there have been tremendous break throughs in Canine Nutrition (some good some bad). Proper nutrition over generations possibly reversing a break down in genetics??? We all accept that poor nutrition in people cause all kinds of health problems then why do we not accept that concept with our dogs as well?
Over the last decade more and more Breeders have utilized the tools available to them which can screen out certain defects - hip dysplasia and so forth. The breeder hopefully chooses only the healthiest of dogs for their breeding program.
Could this result in Dilution of genetics......maybe a reason why only one pup in a litter has come down with it - recessive gene??? Majority vs. Minority?
Also ask yourselves this - have you noticed a decrease after having "outcrossed" or visa versa? Can you go back and check your pedigrees and see if there were common lines at that time in which you saw a higher incidence? Could it be coincidence that maybe you outcrossed when changing foods as well? Are you absoultely sure none of the other pups sold to pet homes had it? Could they have had "mild" cases which can go unseen?
Genetic or nutritional - possibly both - possibly appears as a genetic component due to poor nutrition over generations? Something to think about. ;-)
Dianne
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> From: "Perry" <pyreau@erols.com>
> Date: 2004/11/04 Thu AM 07:23:29 EST
> To: <pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [pyrnet] Re: Pano and diet
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> Hi Joe,
> Couldn't resist putting my 2 cents in on this one. ( Being one of the
> ones who has been in the breed even longer than Joe has...not often we get
> to brag about being old! :)!! We, too, have heard all the various theories
> about pano. In our case, however, the one thing that has always worked for
> us is to take the puppy off puppy chow and put it on adult or even senior
> food. I have no idea why this works ...it is just one of those things that
> we were told eons ago and always recommend to people whose puppies come up
> with pano. In every case, they call me back to tell me that it has worked
> in a matter of days. We regularly take our pups off puppy food by 3 months
> and (knock on wood) have not had any pano in the last 8 years. Granted, we
> have not had as many cases as Joe has, but we have had the opportunity to
> talk to quite a number of people whose pups have had the problem. The times
> we have had a pup with pano, it has always been the largest pup in the
> litter. Also, there has not been any indication of it being inherited, i.e.
> usually only one pup in a litter and has not turned up in other relatives.
> We have not had any pano since we began feeding our dogs large breed puppy
> chow.
> Charlotte Perry
> p.s. Joe, how was the French National, what did you think of the winning
> dogs, etc.
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> From: <JGentzel@aol.com>
> To: <pyrnet-l@pyrnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 12:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [pyrnet] Re: Pano and diet
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> > <<I do know that from the "get go" with My own dogs, I was advised by the
> > breeder to feed a good quality adult food ONLY~~ never puppy food ~~>>
> >
> > My point is I can find no evidence to support this concept. Being a
> > breeder myself with experience and association with the problem, I
> > disagree that this makes no difference as long as the food source is
> > complete and of high quality. One more urban legend, in my opinion. I am
> > open to any data otherwise that is reliable and that is why I asked
> > initially.
> >
> > Joe
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