As far as the Gunner goes, I keep thinking of an old Punisher annual...during the "Evolutionary War" storyline he had to fight several foes in high-tech amour suits, while he had his usual modern-day weapons. Lots of armor-peircing rounds through visors and into gun barrels later all of the bad guys were down. Nasty, nasty, nasty... Chris Delta World head-honcho http://cdekalb.tripod.com