Thanks for all the great info Julie! And Barb, will you never learn? <G> <<Barb H 3 pyrs just bathed and rolled in leaves and dirt...harrumph>> BTW, ROFL! on that last one! Barb Bowes Bo & Chelsea (Pyrs), Flopsy (Pyr Shep) & Machin (Doxie) The more people I meet, the more I like my dog! bamb@monmouth.com