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 Dear Marie, 
  
I'm sorry not to respond any sooner; I just found 
out I've got mono and haven't been up to too much writing. Funny, I thought it 
was the dogs wearing me out! But I'm glad I've got a real excuse now for all the 
fatigue I've felt for weeks. 
  
Anyway, I appreciate your and others' frankness 
about the Pyr temperament and your care in speaking forthrightly to me from your 
experience. Still, there is some range of opinion here on the list about 
fencing, walking, leashing, etc., and I'm taking all of that in. I'm being 
more consistent with the leash, particularly in our own yard, where Sugar 
wants to take off from me and bark at a neighbor's door (just inside is a very 
loud terrier) or run a kind of loop from house to house through the woods. I can 
see her patrolling larger and larger yardages.  
  
However, when we actually go out for a walk or 
hike, she is different, off her own territory and in a different mode. I let her 
(and other dog, Katie) run along with me up to a neighbor's rugged steep yard 
and waterfall, and they chase each other in circles and always come back 
when I call. Incidentally, when we walked earlier today, Sugar went to 
the frozen pond to drink some water. The OFF ICE command (which someone wrote to 
suggest) worked well; I let her walk right along the edge, which was thinning 
considerably, and it cracked and she fell through (about three inches down!). I 
wanted her, even though I'll be training OFF ICE!, to see what she was messing 
with. 
  
Suzanne 
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    I'm also thinking of putting an electronic 
    fence around the whole nearly-acre property, and I recall the discussions 
    about the pros/cons of such fences in the recent past. In my situation, 
    could it work?  
      
    I just recieved a call just yesterday from a 
    woman who wants to rehome her  female pry because her dog would 
    not stay in her yard with an electronic fence. What does this tell me? 
    Electronic fences do not work long term. I'm sorry, but they don't. 
     
      
    My girls love to run and romp in the woods, and 
    I'm having a hard time being content, myself, with tethers and the idea of a 
    small run. Moreover, an actual wooden or metal fence would look really odd 
    in our neighborhood, with mostly open wooded yards; my husband is dead-set 
    against it; and the costs are prohibitive for us. 
      
    Suzanne 
      
    Most of the people here have been very frank 
    with you about the pyr temperament and behavior. If your husband is dead set 
    against the type of fencing these dogs need in order to be safe. Then your 
    only other responsible choice is to walk your dogs on lead. The dogs may not 
    like it. And you may not like it. But if you continue to let these dogs run 
    in the woods. It is only a matter of time until they are lost, injured or 
    killed. A dog on the loose is a dog in jeopardy. Plain and simple. I know 
    this because I do pyr rescue. I have seen dogs who get lost and are starved 
    down to the bone. My own Valentino is just such a dog. Dogs that are injured 
    being hit by cars and the owners don't want to take responsibility for the 
    injuries they caused by being irresponsible. Dogs that won't stay in their 
    unfenced yards. I've heard every excuse in the book. And the greatest 
    majority of these dogs in rescue could have been prevented had the owner 
    done what was in the dogs best interest. Instead of their own. Please don't 
    think I am trying to be harsh or unkind. But with me it is more important 
    that the dog or dogs be protected. I do not tell people to take unwarranted 
    risks with their dogs. Risks that can be prevented. And all it costs is a 
    little inconvenience for the owner.  
    Marie, Valentino and angel Beau 
        
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