Re: [WW] OT America under Attack Letter

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I agree with Noah.  I was in the midst of writing a reply to "cpt canuck" when I decided it wasn't appropriate to keep that kind of b/s going on the list.  

Tate

In a message dated Wed, 12 Sep 2001  9:37:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "nvdoyle" <nvdoyle@home.com> writes:

> Why was this posted to the list? This is -nothing- but insults, inflammatory
> comments, popular revisionist history, most of it erroneous.
> 
> I do think that commentary about the horrific events of yesterday is
> appropriate, but this has devolved into something ugly and sad. That there
> has been reasoned discussion about WW on this list, and the hope that
> someday there might be more, is the only thing that stayed my hand from
> unsubscribing.
> 
> At least Mr. Seyberth made his arguments -privately-, and did not force it
> on the rest of us. Whether or not I agree with him, he did follow the
> ettiquette of the list.
> 
> I am hereby politely, yet strongly, requesting that Cpt. Canuck be removed
> from the listserv. This might be extreme, yes, but if we cannot abide by
> simple rules of conduct, then there should be consequences.
> 
> Noah
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cpt. Canuck" <canuck@superaje.com>
> To: "Allan Seyberth" <darious@darious.com>
> Cc: <deadlands-ot@gamerz.net>; "weird wars" <weirdwars@gamerz.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [WW] OT America under Attack Letter
> 
> 
> > This has gone way too far.
> >
> > This thread has nothing to do with Weird Wars.
> >
> > It is simply a US propoganda machine, and a flame war.
> >
> > If you are so afraid after these attacks, it still does not excuse
> > verbal insults to me or about Canada.
> >
> > Canada is aiding you, and yet you lash out.  We take your flights, put
> > up your people, feed them, and send you blood.
> >
> > No one should help the USA, but they do.  This was a tragedy, and some
> > on this list are making a mockery of it, and the people who died.
> >
> > The USA is not the world, nor has it ever been.  You do not rule by
> > fear.  In fact, you do not rule.  Most the world doesn't take you
> > seriously, but these attacks show someone has.  You stepped on someones
> > toes.  They did something terrible.  Perhaps even evil.  So has the USA,
> > more times than I can mention in one eMail.  Does that make every US
> > citizen evil?  No it does not.
> >
> > Comments about Pearl Harbor are ridiculous.  Your government let those
> > people be killed to bring the nation behind them in entering the war.
> > They knew it was coming.  They crucified the General, and made McArthur
> > a hero (who in fact had an identical [except he was actually at
> > fault] instance happen to him in Africa).  Your government and media
> > feed you
> > lies, and propoganda to control you.  They create heroes and scapegoats
> > throughout history.  Your nations arrogance, has made you hated, not
> > feared.  Some US citizens travel with Maple Leaves on their luggage and
> > clothing, simply to be treated well.
> >
> > Let's look at World War 2 some more.  Oh wait, you didn't enter until
> > AFTER air superiority was taken back by the British.  Oh, yeah, the US
> > were the only ones to lose a beach at Normandy.  Oh... What?  They have
> > the highest friendly fire rates of any nation?  Say it ain't so.  The
> > United States was a secondary force in WW2.  Sure they helped in
> > supplies before then, and arguably aided with their military.  They were
> > not the opposing force to Germany.  England was.  Russia could also be
> > argued as a major force, but not the US.
> >
> > What about Viet Nam? Korea? 1812? Gulf?  Slaughtering the indians...
> > Look up the Cherokee!
> >
> > Heck the War Of Independance would not have been won if the French
> > hadn't saved you.
> >
> > Your Navy and NASA have each shot down at least one passenger jet.
> >
> > Truth, justice, liberty....  You say one thing and act in the opposite
> > way.
> >
> > Tell me truthfully, what good has the US done.  Why should anyone be
> > proud to be a US citizen?  I know many are, but why?  Simply because
> > they were born there?  Perhaps that is reason enough.  Many in the world
> > are proud to be citizens in their home nation.  Its the arrogance about
> > your nation that causes me to require a reason.
> >
> > Regardless of all this, I feel you won't rest until you've caused more
> > innocents to die (even if they're your own).  Stop posturing, and deal
> > with the problem.  Actions
> > not words.  Stupid actions don't help though.  Lashing out is simply
> > wrong.
> >
> > Now, the moderator should be asking for peace, but instead I receive a
> > flaming eMail from him.  What is this?
> > This is an angering eMail.
> >
> > BTW, I really don't mean to start any flames, but since I've been on
> > this list, I've read many attacks on Canada.  Read the history boys...
> >
> > What I would really like to know, is truly why are you proud to be a US
> > citizen?  I honestly want to know.  Why would anyone decide to live
> > there opposed to anywhere else?
> >
> >
> >
> > Allan Seyberth wrote:
> > >
> > > At 05:25 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> > >  >Allan Seyberth wrote:
> > >  >> But still - when there are palestinians dancing in the streets
> handing out
> > >  >> candy - someone is going to get their ass kicked for this.
> > >  >
> > >  >As well in many other countries of the world.  The US is not loved.
> > >
> > > What?  Are you frogs still pissed that French is a dying language?
> > >
> > > And - after giving billions of dollars to humanitarian aid everywhere
> > > around the globe, if we can't be loved, then I guess we'll have to
> settle
> > > for fear.
> >
> > You are not feared.  The world has compassion for you now, don't push
> > your luck.
> >
> > >  >> "I fear that all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant, and fill
> it with
> > >  >> a desire for vengeance."
> > >  >>                  - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (disputed)
> > >  >
> > >  >Unless the vengeance is taken out on those not responsible.
> > >
> > > "War is hell"
> > >          - Gen Tecumseh Sherman, originator of the concept of total
> warfare
> > > in modern times.
> > >
> > > Sucks to be them.
> >
> > You don't even realize...  It is a pity.
> >
> > > It's a simple concept really - we have more nukes than anyone else.
> Don't
> > > fuck with us.  If you help someone fuck with us, and don't stop 'em,
> then
> > > you are going to get fucked.
> > > If you hear about someone fucking with us, and don't tell us, prepare to
> > > get fucked.
> >
> > Actually you don't.  Perhaps more than any one nation, but if all the
> > nations that seperated from the Soviet Union ever combined again, you
> > would be small potatoes.  Unlikely to happen?  Hopefully.   Regardless,
> > as an old friend of mine always said, its not the guys with 100 nukes
> > I'm worried about, its the maniac with one.
> >
> > > Of course, we need to consider the lesson of the Israelis.  Whenever
> they
> > > get targetted for a terrorist attack, they respond with massive force.
> > > But it doesn't prevent the next civilian bombing.
> >
> > The more you tighten your grip, the more they'll slip through your
> > fingers (loosely taken from Princess Leia).  Although China may prove
> > that statement wrong.  They have an iron grip, over their own and of
> > Hong Kong.  Do you want to be China?
> >
> > > So obviously we need to take it a step further.  I figure about 500
> square
> > > miles of radioactive glass would be a good starting point.
> >
> > This is disgusting.  The consequences to the US are staggering if they
> > use nukes.  What sucks is your stupidity will effect Canada as well.  In
> > fact it already does.  Your bloody nuke testing in Nevada effects us all
> > to this day.  The Jet Stream from Nevada up into Canada is called the
> > cancer belt for a reason.  You are foolish to open a can of worms you
> > can't close.  You could always bomb more hospitals claiming they're
> > chemical weapons factories though.
> >
> > > Hey - any of you canucks actually know this fuck?
> >
> > <shaking head>
> >
> > You just don't know.
> >
> > > -------------------
> > > Allan Seyberth
> > > darious@darious.com
> > > Deadlands fan site - http://www.darious.com/
> > >
> > > Frisbeetarianism, n.:
> > >          The belief that when you die, your soul goes up the on roof and
> > > gets stuck.
> >
> > Now, this is still tragic.  The act, and the reprecussions.  What I find
> > strange is the US peoples who don't even care.  "It doesn't effect me,
> > so why think about it."  It is terrible, and everyones prayers should be
> > with the injured, and the families of the wounded and dead.  Why not go
> > help out?  Do something.  Stop screaming for blood and help.  Innocents
> > should not have to die for this.
> >
> > I apologize if this eMail seems nasty, but some of it needed to be
> > said.  I wish to inflame no one.  I will happily discuss history with
> > anyone, but will not respond anymore to insane lashing out.  Losing your
> > temper does no good.
> >
> > Peoples tensions may be high, but nothing excuses some actions.  If you
> > disagree with me, than in a reasonable way, let me know, and we can
> > either discuss it, or let it go.  Personally, if it doesn't have to do
> > with World War II, it should be private eMail, not on the mailing list.
> > Allowing this thread on this list, does nothing to aid the problem, it
> > will simply be an emotional outlet for people who don't have another way
> > to let it out.
> >
> > I do not hate the US.  My girlfriend is a U.S. citizen (and my first
> > move was to call her when I heard).  My mother was born in the US.  Half
> > my relatives are there.  Many friends, and even a sister in law is a
> > U.S. citizen.  I know the U.S.
> >
> > I am not attacking every U.S. citizen with any comments, but I am
> > criticising it as a nation.  Usually it is just a vocal minority that
> > give bad names to the whole...  Prove it in this case.
> >
> > Remember this is a tragedy, and not to be taken lightly.  Not only were
> > innocents killed, but some of those who tried to save them.
> >
> > Cap
> >
> >
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> >
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