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> From: <M3A4E5@aol.com>
> > You are inadvertently
helping to make my point.
I did said,
I could see what you are saying and agree that unwanted litters mainly stem from
irresponsible owners (as well as accidents if people are responsible in every
way possible but an animal gets loose, etc.) but do not agree that
neutering....or spaying....is
mutilation.
> You are willing to sell a dog to a
family for profit, as long as this family has to continually rely upon
> you as a source for any future dogs. Is that correct? No! I do not
sell my puppies/dogs for a "profit". Would you like me to figure up how
much money I've lost with a current litter because I'm picky about where they
go? It might take me a while to figure this up as I don't bother
caring about keeping records on how much I "spend" on my dogs. Just
that, I don't care, I'm willing to keep them for the rest of time and even if I
did sell each one for "x" amount of money, I still would not be making a
profit. Besides that, nothing can make up for the emotional cost at
watching a previous litter bleed to death due to a complication called
Hypoprothrombinemia which is treated in new born pups with a shot of vitamin K
or can be prevented by giving the dam an injection of this shortly before
whelping (which I now do). My regular veterinarian wasn't in and the vet I
took them to didn't "see any reason" they should have the vitamin K. They
all died, screaming, in my arms. This is the emotional cost that the pet
owner cannot deal with! Also, for some reason, it seems no one knows how
often pets are acquired simply for research, sacrifice or some other unspeakable
act. This is why we always see "Free To Good Home" or whatever, people just
don't know who is really getting the animal. Even with all the questions
hobby breeders ask and the extensive agreements signed, we still have to be very
careful. The only reason I didn't just quit all together is because
my goal is to have bred the finest Great Pyrenees and Cocker Spaniels possible
(under my expectations....dual purpose, wonderful dogs), to have these lovely
dogs with me at all times and to go down in history with those like Edith
and Seaver Smith of Quibbletown. This may not happen but it is my
goal. I am not looking for a profit, anyone who really is, is not in it
for the right reasons and I certainly don't care if someone wants to go
somewhere else to get a dog. In fact, I regularly refer people elsewhere,
including rescue.
You, yourself,
said that your dog is not of breeding quality and he will never be bred.
Well, if I were to have someone sign a "no breeding contract" and was guaranteed
the animal would never be bred, wouldn't those people still either have to come
to me or go somewhere else for any future dogs? This is not what the
original conversation was about, you said that you believe neutering to be a
mutilation and everyone is trying to find out why you believe this but never get
a strait answer.
So now we go on to
your next statement, a repeated one.
> Regarding spaying, I have already discussed
this with Cindy, in a previous > post. A vasectomy is not a mutilation as far as I am concerned. > > Terry I asked you how
you feel about spaying. You've answered as believing a vasectomy
is not mutilation. Please correct me if I am wrong but I see the
definition of this as being:
Vasectomy: Surgical
removal of all or part of the "vas deferens",
usually as a means of sterilization. "Vas Deferens": The main secretory duct of the testicle, through which semen is carried from the epididymis to the prostatic urethra, where it ends as the ejaculatory duct. This
would not be the spaying of a female. Nor would it be "tying the
tubes" of a female which is:
Tubal Ligation: A
method of female sterilization in which the fallopian
tubes are surgically tied. (Sometimes they are cauterized or burnt also) {My
Mother's were cut and, I believe, cauterized.)
I would
like to know what part of the actual neutering you consider mutilation and what
part of a vasectomy you don't consider mutilation? However, my original
question has still not been answered and I don't expect it will be but will ask
again, specifically.
Do you
consider the spaying of a female dog mutilation? If so, do you consider
the tubal ligation of a female dog mutilation? (If they do
this.)
> In an earlier post on this issue,
one of the ladies equated this to a lady
> having her breasts removed as simply a preventive measure, without any > specific medical diagnosis of breast cancer, or without any family history of > it. What do you think about that? I
think you're getting really too personal when this is about dogs. I also
say that since it is possible for me to go to my Doctor (female) and find out if
I am at risk....and then if I am, I can take preventative measures, there is no
need for me to have surgery. I expect I will go sometime soon and find out
whether I am or not as a very dear friend of mine is currently fighting this
disease. Is there some procedure I don't know of that people can take
their dogs to a Vet and find out if they're at risk and if so be put on
preventative measures?
> Before I purchased my Pyr I spoke with several breeders, including one who is > prominently mentioned in "The New Complete Great Pyrenees." This lady does > not subscribe to the "Preventative Measures," theory, and neither do I. > > Terry I
highly recommend this book to everyone but just because someone is in it doesn't
necessarily designate them knowing all. I do not know all, I'm not saying
that. There are also very qualified breeders who are not in that book that
do believe in spay/neuter for many reasons. Furthermore, if this breeder
doen't subscribe to the preventative measures of spay/neuter, does she at least
spay/neuter or require the spay/neuter of her pets?
I do
have to wonder about the type of person you acquired your boy from....not
requiring him to be neutered by a certain age or that he legally comes back
to them.
There are several
links you need to see. Many have been posted. Here's one, this is
what happens to unwanted animals who's parents weren't "fixed". It's much
due to irresponsible owners but also accidents from dogs (female or male)
escaping out the door or well fenced yard of an otherwise responsible owner for
a mere five minutes. http://www.themestream.com/articles/286864.html
Chrissy
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